In this fifth episode of Planetary Health Talks we talk with Arte Groenewegen, medical student, co-founder of the CO2-assistent and planetary health passionate. We talk about building a movement, how indigenous peoples live in harmony with nature and the Capitalocene vs Anthropocene. In the podcast Arte talks about Active Hope, a book by Joanna Macy, and how gratitude is a powerful weapon that we should use to change from consumerism to a focus on health. How do we stay hopeful in times of chaos and how can we influence policy? Arte hopes she will forever have her playful and childish curiosity, and so do we. Keep inspiring Arte!